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suspended forward roll
Friday 14th of December 2012, 13:16
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:15
 
Can someone please explain to me what a suspended forward roll is? Thanks x
 
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84.9.51.0 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:17
 
It's like a leapfrog where a flyer is braced with hands by a base and leapfrogs over that base but in a handstand shape, so I guess it kind of looks like the flyer is forward rolling over the base... does that make sense? (It did in my head but I'm not sure if it's clear to anyone else!!)
 
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SarahCheer87 (11) | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:18
 
The Flyer is in prep and passes her hands under her legs to link with the backspots hands behind her. The bases the give a pop and the flyer flips her legs over and the bases re catch her in cradle, hope that helps I think this is correct x
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:19
 
That's exactly what I thought! However I had a 10 point infraction in my stunt routine today because apparently its illegal but in the rules it clearly states that a suspended forward roll is legal at level 2 ! Very confused x
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:20
 
That reply was to the first comment ..x
 
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SarahCheer87 (11) | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:25
 
We were pulled up at bca for an infraction in our level 3 group stunt as they considered our suspended forward roll i described in @post3 as a flip, but we performed the exact same routine the previous day and no comments were made about the stunt, when we asked why we were not given a warning the day before,
I think the judges went back and talked to the second panel who had marked us the day before and then they agreed it was a suspended forward roll not a flip and that is was legal and apologised.
 
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212.139.111.202 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:26
 
I'm not sure if this is exactly what @post2 was trying to describe but I've always thought it was where the flyer is in prep, bends their knees slightly and reaches their arms back for the backspot's hands, the bases then dip and the flyer does a 3/4 front tuck to land in cradle. Could well be completely not what they mean though!
 
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212.183.128.83 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:27
 
Any inversion must start on the ground and end non-inverted in a stunt in level 2. I think you're looking at level 3 rules.
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:30
 
Sorry that was meant to say level 3 it was at level 3 today at fc... we completed it like a leapfrog style but like a handspring over the back spot .. which was what I thought a suspended forward roll was and a lot of other people seem to think that is what it is ?! Very confused x
 
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SarahCheer87 (11) | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:31
 
@post7 yep that was what I meant, thanks for describing it better for me x
 
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212.183.128.83 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:33
 
I would question it with FC, yes, it is completely legal at level 3. Ive competed the same move in two seasons and never had an issue.
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:36
 
We did they said they have there own rules on that stunt! I don't know what to think but I have done a lot of research on it and it seems that it is legal. Will get on to FC tomorrow thanks got your help guys x
 
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212.183.128.83 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:41
 
We've competed it at level 3 coed at FC this year, so if they've changed the rules just before Nationals I'd be very concerned. Get on it, especially if it's cost you a placing.
 
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213.205.225.66 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:41
 
It cant go above prep level tjo... Did it?
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:44
 
Well the arms obviously need to extend otherwise flyer would go straight into the back spots head ??
 
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213.205.225.66 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:48
 
But it says any inversions cannot go through extension in the rules ..
 
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92.40.254.246 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:51
 
It says .. exception.. multi based suspended forward roll though ? I just double checked Xx
 
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213.205.225.66 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 21:52
 
No inverted stunts above shoulder level. The connection and support of the top person with the base(s) must be
at shoulder level or below.
Exception: Multi base suspended forward roll dismounts to a cradle or the performing surface are allowed. Multi suspended forward rolls must be supported by two hands. Both hands of the top person must be connected
to a separate hand of the base(s).
 
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82.2.80.75 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 22:10
 
Downwards inversion, definitely illegal a level 3 but was legal last year I think...definitely the year before.
 
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82.35.164.106 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 22:14
 
The multi based suspended forward roll which is allowed in level 3 must start at smush. The flyer braces hands with the back spot, the bases toss from smush and the flyer does a forward roll type movement to land in cradle, never letting go of the back spot's hands.. Both flyer and back spot can lick arms, and this year the flyer can even do a full twist as they flip.
 
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Jen (1807) | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 22:18
 
we compete it at jamfest in j3, i made it part of a pyramid so bases could def extend arms. although i do believe you can do it without going over the top of the bspots head and therefore not extending arms (we compete this back at acdc edinburgh)

but the exception is obvious it just doesnt specify about arms extending or not so i didnt want to risk anything

email les stella for clarification
 
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92.40.254.122 | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 22:32
 
We started in smush and landed in cradle arms extended enough to clear the back spots head . . X
 
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TealCoach (743) | Sun 1st Jul 2012 - 22:59
 
It is legal at level 3 as described.
@post20 it does not need to start in smush.

@post9 if you had an infraction today, you should have been called to see Ryan in the Avon room who would have explained why you were being infected - what did he say?
 
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46.34.3.34 | Mon 17th Sep 2012 - 13:55
 
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I just emailed Future Cheer and they have said the front base can extend arms at Level 3.
 
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82.2.80.75 | Wed 12th Dec 2012 - 22:00
 
@post23 When you say it does not need to start in smush - does this mean it can start in prep or below prep?

ie. Flyer is in prep, holds the bases' free hand and tucks downwards to the floor = allowed as it's part of the exception, multi based suspended roll?
 
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82.46.157.85 | Wed 12th Dec 2012 - 23:05
 
@post26 legal at level 3. Each of the flyers hands must be holding a separate hand of the base(s).
 
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46.34.3.34 | Thu 13th Dec 2012 - 13:28
 
Ah, the exception confusion rumbles on!
 
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TealCoach (743) | Thu 13th Dec 2012 - 14:00
 
@post27 what's confusing?
 
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46.34.3.34 | Fri 14th Dec 2012 - 13:16
 
Sorry what I meant is, the exception rule seems to throw people as there is always questions about multi base rolls!
 
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